Ep. 17 Unbehaved — Part 1 with Meghan French Dunbar

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Episode Overview

A few months ago, I laid down on a futon in Denver, drank a glass of orange juice with three grams of psilocybin in it, and spent the entire day tripping balls next to a licensed therapist who took notes for eight hours.

I did it legally. In Colorado. With medical supervision. And it did more for my mental health in one day than six years of therapy, antidepressants, ADHD medication, and every self-help book I've ever read had done combined.

This is the episode I've been quietly wanting to make for months.

In this solo episode of Unbehaved, I share my full experience with psilocybin-assisted therapy — what led me there, the current legal landscape, the research on its effectiveness, and what genuinely shifted for me and my husband afterward. We cover why psilocybin became illegal in the first place (spoiler: it wasn't the science), how Colorado and Oregon are running ahead of federal law, who this is NOT for, the specific insecurity I couldn't therapy my way out of, the car manual analogy that changed how I think about myself, and why healing yourself is leadership work.

The old playbook of mental health goes like this: talk therapy for years, add an SSRI, hope something moves. That playbook has helped a lot of people — and I'm not knocking it. But I'm a case study for what happens when the old playbook is all you have and it stops being enough. The new playbook says the mind isn't the whole system, your body carries what your mind can't process, and root-cause healing is possible on a timeline that isn't decades. Psilocybin is one tool in that new playbook. Not the only one — but it's the one that finally worked for me.

Part 2 of this series will be a full conversation with Mikki Vogt, my psilocybin therapist and one of the people who co-wrote Colorado's safety protocols. Coming next week.

 

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ABOUT THIS EPISODE

This is a solo episode — no guest, just Meghan walking through her own psilocybin therapy journey from beginning to end. She covers the political and scientific history that shapes the current moment, the research that made her open to it, the story of her husband Scott's session (and its lasting impact on his anxiety), her own preparation and journey, the insights she came away with (the "is this okay?" → "you are okay" shift, the anger release, the car manual analogy, and the birthday reframe), and her honest read on what actually changed in her parenting, marriage, and leadership afterward.

Meghan is direct about who psilocybin therapy is NOT for and gives specific guidance for anyone considering it — this is a responsible-messenger episode, not a psychedelic evangelism episode. She also grounds the whole conversation in her broader "Old Playbook / New Playbook" framework — psilocybin as one root-cause tool in a new mental health paradigm, not a silver bullet.  

 

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WHAT YOU'LL WALK AWAY WITH

• A clear-eyed understanding of the current legal landscape for psilocybin therapy in the U.S. — Colorado, Oregon, New Mexico, the trigger law states, and what's likely to happen at the federal level
• The real history of why psilocybin became illegal in the first place (Nixon, John Ehrlichman, and the fact that the science was actually promising when it got shut down)
• The research showing psilocybin's effectiveness for depression, addiction, PTSD, and end-of-life anxiety — including data from Johns Hopkins, NYU, and Compass Pathways
• A responsible-messenger breakdown of who psilocybin therapy is NOT for and how to vet a legitimate facilitator
• The specific insecurity Meghan couldn't therapy her way out of — and the moment during her session that finally broke it
• The car manual analogy that reframes how you think about yourself and your ADHD or neurodivergence
• What her husband's psilocybin session did for his anxiety (still gone, five months later)
• Why the old playbook of mental health (therapy + SSRIs + hope) isn't enough for millions of people — and what the new playbook is starting to look like
• Why healing yourself is leadership work, parenting work, and community work — all at once 

 

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PULL QUOTES

"I laid down on a futon, drank a cup of orange juice filled with a bunch of magic mushrooms, and then spent the entire day just tripping balls with a licensed therapist named Mikki sitting right next to me taking notes the entire time."

"It wasn't because scientists had discovered that these substances were dangerous. Actually, the exact opposite was happening. Research effectively shut down for 40 years as a result of this — not because the science was bad, but because the politics were."

"The mind isn't actually the whole system. Our bodies carry things that the mind can't process. Our nervous system is running the show oftentimes more than our conscious brain is."

"I always have this little voice that says, is this okay? … And at some point it transitioned from is this okay to say? to you are okay."

 "We are given a user manual that is not the one that works for our fucking car."

"For the first time in my life, I experienced what it felt like to just feel happy as I am. And I don't know if any of the people that I have in my life ever have. I don't know if any of us do."

"Healing yourself in this way. It is leadership work. It is parenting work. It is community work. It is friend work. It helps us be better in relationships — which is really what so much of life is built on." 

"I find that unbehaving — that pushing back on that status quo narrative about what we, quote, should do — that is where the real magic actually happens. It's where the transformation happens. It's where the healing happens."

 

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CHAPTERS

00:00 — Cold open: the futon, the orange juice, the mushrooms

01:15 — Why this episode exists

03:40 — Meeting my neighbor Avi + Colorado's Prop 122

05:20 — The current legal landscape across states

07:15 — Why psilocybin became illegal (Nixon, Ehrlichman, and the war on drugs)

09:40 — How research restarted: FDA breakthrough designation, state laws, bipartisan support 12:00 — Watching Michael Pollan's How to Change Your Mind 

14:20 — What the research actually shows (Johns Hopkins, NYU, Compass Pathways)

17:00 — Responsible messenger: who psilocybin therapy is NOT for 20:15 — Root cause healing vs. changing your mind

22:00 — The social judgment I had to work through

25:30 — My husband Scott's psilocybin session

30:00 — Deciding to do it myself + prep with Mikki

34:00 — Day of: the healing center, the orange juice, the ayahuasca callback

38:00 — The journey: "Is this okay?" → "You are okay"

43:00 — The anger release + "Fuck you, Mikki"

46:00 — The car manual analogy

49:30 — Integration: parenting, marriage, and the birthday reframe

55:00 — The Glastonbury retreat and authentic leadership

58:00 — Why unbehaving is where the good stuff happens

 

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RESOURCES MENTIONED

• Michael Pollan's How to Change Your Mind — book + Netflix docuseries
• Colorado Proposition 122 (2022) — the framework that made Meghan's session legal
• Oregon Measure 109 (2020) — the first state to legalize supervised psilocybin therapy
• Compass Pathways Phase 3 psilocybin trial (COMP360) — the trial that could lead to FDA approval as early as 2027
• Roland Griffiths / Johns Hopkins Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research — the researcher most responsible for the modern psilocybin research renaissance
• John Ehrlichman's admission about the war on drugs — Dan Baum, Harper's Magazine, April 2016 ("Legalize It All")
• Berkeley Center for the Science of Psychedelics — psychedelics.berkeley.edu/law
• The healing center — founded by Mikki Vogt, Vince, and Cindi in Denver
• Part 2 of this podcast series — a full conversation with Mikki, coming soon

Written companions:

• Substack Part 1 — To Shroom or Not to Shroom?
• Substack Part 2 — Why I'm a Mom Who Does Drugs

 

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CONNECT WITH MEGHAN + UNBEHAVED

• Subscribe to the Unbehaved Substack: meghanfrenchdunbar.substack.com
• Meghan on LinkedIn: Meghan French Dunbar
• Meghan on Instagram: @meghanfrenchdunbar
• The Book — This Isn't Working: meghanfrenchdunbar.com/book

 

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FULL TRANSCRIPT

Lightly cleaned for readability. Filler words, false starts, and transcription artifacts removed. Meghan's voice and phrasing preserved throughout.

Alright, my friends. A couple of months ago, I did something absolutely wild. I laid down on a futon, drank a cup of orange juice filled with a bunch of magic mushrooms, and then spent the entire day just tripping balls with a licensed therapist named Mikki sitting right next to me taking notes the entire time.

I laughed. I cried. At one point, I may or may not have lost the ability to use my legs and stand up to get to the bathroom. And I had one of the most transformational experiences of my entire life.

I was doing an entirely legal psilocybin-assisted therapy session. And that's what we're going to talk about today: the emerging world of psilocybin-assisted therapy, including the legal landscape, the history, the research on its profound benefits. And I'm going to talk about why I did it personally and what some of the impacts were for both me and my husband, who also did a session. 

Welcome to Unbehaved. My name is Meghan French Dunbar, and I am so thrilled that you are here — especially for this episode, because this one feels really important to me.

Why? Well, the more that we heal ourselves and do the inner work that's necessary to let go of some of those harmful stories that we carry around every single day, the better we can show up in the world. For ourselves, and also for others. For our friends and family, for our workplaces, as leaders in our communities. The way that we show up matters — and the way that we feel about ourselves, and our ability to let go of these rampant insecurities that drive so much of our behavior, is actually really important to the way that we show up every day.

And at least in my experience, and based on loads of contemporary research, psilocybin just might be one of the best tools we have right now to help people truly heal — to get over those internal barriers that are holding people back from being the best version of themselves. 

I mean, on my end: I have been in therapy for six years. I'm on antidepressants. I was diagnosed with ADHD, and I'm on medication for that. I've read every single book on the inner journey. I've interviewed mental health experts. And I wrote an entire damn book, This Isn't Working, all about how high achievers can actually thrive.

And yet, there was still something missing for me. I had plateaued in my own healing journey, and I was still carrying around deeply held insecurities that no matter how much work I did, I just couldn't let go of — until I did the psilocybin-assisted therapy. 

So if you're listening and searching for something new that might help you get to the next level when it comes to your own inner work, or are interested in healing work in general, or have been curious about psilocybin-assisted therapy — this episode is for you. Let's get into it.

How I got here — my neighbor Avi and Colorado's Prop 122

So a few years ago, we had new neighbors move into our community. We have a little public park behind our house, so all of us hang out in the park a lot as neighbors and hang out with the kids in the playground. It's a whole vibe. Our new neighbors, Avi and Jenna, we became really close with them.

And one night I was out on the playground hanging out with Avi. We were watching our kids play, and he mentioned that he had been at a training to learn how to use psilocybin — or magic mushrooms — in his therapy.

At this point, he's a licensed therapist. I knew he had a private practice. He was a professional at what he did. And I was a little concerned. I was like, Avi, aren't mushrooms illegal? What are you doing? You're gonna risk your professional reputation and potentially your entire business by doing something that you're not allowed to do as a therapist.

And Avi, as he does, just very casually looked at me and said, no, I'm not worried.  

I was like — what's the deal?

Well, it turns out in 2022, Colorado voters approved Proposition 122, becoming the second US state behind Oregon to legalize supervised psilocybin use. There are two parts of this. One, it decriminalized certain psychedelics, including psilocybin, for personal use by adults 21 and older. Great. Two, it established a regulated framework for adults to access psilocybin-assisted therapy at licensed healing centers under the supervision of trained and licensed facilitators. So that's why Avi was getting trained. He wanted to be a licensed facilitator.

The current legal landscape

The current landscape as of right now: Oregon has done the same thing as Colorado. New Mexico is on its way to follow suit. Eighteen other states have active legislation pending, and five states have trigger laws that mean it will automatically become legal if psilocybin is legalized at the federal level — which may be happening far sooner than many of us think.

Compass Pathways is actually in Phase 3 of a trial, the final large-scale clinical trial required for FDA approval on psilocybin-assisted therapy. This trial demonstrates that the drug works, and this is the first time in history that a classical psychedelic has cleared that bar. It's paving the way for potential federal legalization as early as 2027.

The dam is finally starting to break on psychedelics becoming legalized. And it's important to understand why the dam was there in the first place — because mushrooms have gotten a really bad rap. They've been something that's been illegal and very taboo and counterculture, something that only hippies and ravers do. And there's a reason they're illegal.

Why psilocybin became illegal in 1970

In the United States, psilocybin became illegal in 1970 when Nixon signed the Controlled Substances Act. And it wasn't because scientists had discovered that these substances were dangerous. Actually, the exact opposite was happening. Researchers in the 50s and 60s were doing promising research showing the benefit of not just psilocybin, but LSD and mescaline as well. This was real science, real results.

But by the late 60s, psychedelics had become associated with the anti-war movement and counterculture ideas. And Nixon's own domestic policy advisor, John Ehrlichman, later admitted that the war on drugs that they waged was designed to disrupt these communities — the anti-war counterculture communities. Not because the science said the substances were dangerous. Because the politics said the movement was dangerous. That's why they became illegal.

So psilocybin gets classified as a Schedule I substance — the same category as heroin — meaning it's deemed as highly addictive with no accepted medical use. And this is despite all of the research that was already showing that it actually had promising benefits in many categories. And if you know anything about psilocybin, you know that it being addictive is objectively wrong.

Research effectively shut down for 40 years as a result of this — not because the science was bad, but because the politics were.

How research restarted

Which raises the question: if psilocybin has been a Schedule I for fifty-five frickin' years, how the hell did I just do this legally? And how are places like Johns Hopkins and NYU actually running clinical trials on this right now?

Well, it turns out the science was too good to ignore. Starting in the early 2000s, a handful of researchers — most notably the late Roland Griffiths at Johns Hopkins — got special DEA licenses to study Schedule I substances again. And the results were stunning. Depression, addiction, end-of-life anxiety — outcomes that traditional pharmaceutical companies had been chasing for decades were showing up in one or two guided psilocybin sessions.

The FDA responded by granting psilocybin therapy something called Breakthrough Therapy Designation. This actually happened twice — in 2018 and again in 2019. That's pretty much the FDA saying: this is important enough that we're going to help fast-track it toward approval.

At the same time, this is when statewide voters were starting to get ahead of the federal government. Oregon passed Measure 109 in 2020. Colorado passed Prop 122 in 2022. Which is how what I did was legal, even though psilocybin on the federal level is still classified as a Schedule I.

The crazy thing about this is that it's actually bipartisan. Rick Perry — yeah, that Rick Perry, former governor of Texas, presidential nominee Rick Perry — is one of the most vocal advocates for psilocybin-assisted therapy and other psychedelics, especially for addressing PTSD for veterans, because it is so effective.

So this is not a fringe movement anymore. It's real, it's well-funded. The medical community is in agreement that this works. It is legitimate. And it's happening at the state level, and hopefully at the federal level soon.

Michael Pollan and my dad's cancer

Because it's been so taboo, a lot of people haven't been talking about this — which is why I wanted to talk about it today. So let's dive into just a little of the research to understand how this is benefiting people before we go into how my experience transformed me.

Within about a year of that conversation with Avi, my husband and I sat down and watched Michael Pollan's docuseries on Netflix, How to Change Your Mind. This was based on his book of the same title.

Each episode profiled the history and therapeutic benefits of certain hallucinogenics, including MDMA, LSD, mescaline, and psilocybin — aka magic mushrooms. This was the first time that I'd actually seen this in a research-based context. Seeing someone like Michael Pollan, who's a professional writer and researcher (and I've read many of his books), I was thinking — okay, this is particularly interesting.

On the episode where they were talking about the impacts of psilocybin, they were using it in the context of people who had terminal cancer diagnoses and were at the end of life, dealing with profound depression and anxiety and feelings of hopelessness. And it turns out that using psilocybin in a therapeutic context was making tremendous impacts in addressing their depression, and making them feel like they could face the end of life with dignity and grace and acceptance rather than hopelessness.

And at the time, this was very salient for me — because my dad was in the midst of cancer treatment. I had seen not just the physical toll that all the chemo and surgeries had taken on his body, but the mental toll of the fear and anxiety of dealing with looking at your own mortality. 

So seeing the positive impact that psilocybin was having on these cancer patients — it felt personal, and it felt inspiring, and I felt really excited about it. All of a sudden, I started seeing what Avi was doing in a very different way.

What the research actually shows

And then I started paying attention to some of the research that had been coming out. Psilocybin is not just something that helps terminally ill cancer patients. It treats a vast spectrum of conditions.

Research is now showing that it has a positive impact on depression, treatment-resistant depression, anxiety, PTSD, OCD, alcohol use disorder, nicotine addiction, possibly anorexia — and there are active trials right now on opioid use disorder. There are anecdotal signals that it's working on things like seizures, fibromyalgia, and dementia.

It's just a staggering list.

And not only is it a wide spectrum, it has long-lasting, permanent impacts — which is the thing that blows my mind. Some of the research: two doses of psilocybin produced sustained remission in 58% of patients with major depression at the 12-month mark in a Johns Hopkins study. A single high-dose session reduced cancer patients' depression and anxiety at rates near 80%, and those effects were still present four and a half years later, based on research done at NYU.

The reason it's having such long-lasting impacts is that psilocybin actually impacts how the brain organizes itself. It's been shown to flatten the default mode network, reduce our sense of ego, and increase neuroplasticity. This is why it's so effective — especially with things like therapy — because it's helping us examine our beliefs and stories without all of the judgment and emotions. And when you do that, it also can reshape the circuits in your brain.

This is why it's impactful in therapy, but also why it's having such profound and long-lasting impacts with these other conditions. It's changing the very chemistry of our brains.

Responsible messenger — who this is NOT for

So you can tell I'm a little excited about the topic. The research is there. And I had my own experience.

Before we go any further, I feel obligated to be a responsible messenger here — because I don't want people hearing my story and then running out to do this, especially if it's not right for them. Psilocybin-assisted therapy is not for everyone. 

If you or anyone in your immediate family has a history of psychosis, schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder — this is probably not for you. If you're currently on SSRIs (which I am), you need to have a careful conversation about tapering down before your session and what it means to be on those drugs when you do the therapy. Also, if you have certain heart conditions, you shouldn't be doing this. 

These aren't soft consult your doctor disclaimers. These are real screens that legitimate facilitators are — or should be — using.

And this gets to the second part: it's not just about screening yourself. You need to be working with a medical professional. There are absolutely unqualified facilitators out there doing actual harm because they don't know the safety protocols. And there are extraordinary people out there who are doing the deep work, who understand this in a deep way, who can guide you safely. 

If you plan on exploring this at all, with a potential facilitator, you need to be asking them: where did you do your training? Who did you train with? How many sessions have you facilitated historically? What's your screening process? What are your safety protocols? What does your integration support look like after the session?

If they can't easily answer questions like these, that should not be a person you're working with. Do your research, take your time. This is not something to be casual about.

Root cause healing

For me, I found that it was right for me because it was the first time in my life that I actually experienced what I would call root-cause healing.

Everything I'd been doing up until this point was really focused on getting me to think about things in a different way. Therapy, SSRIs, reading books, talking to mental health experts — it was all trying to change my mind.

But the mind isn't actually the whole system. Our bodies carry things that the mind can't process. Our nervous system is running the show oftentimes more than our conscious brain is. And doing something that goes beyond the mind is often necessary for pushing us past that place where the mind has completely stalled out.

And that's where I was. I felt like I'd plateaued.

All that said, I also know that doing something new can be scary — especially when it comes to the context of doing a lot of drugs, especially if you've never done them before. Most of the conversations I have go one of two ways. People often say that sounds great, but I would be worried about giving up control. Other people say I have never even really done drugs, so starting with a macro dose of psilocybin seems like a crazy thing to do.

I hear those concerns. If those are concerns, you can feel them. I'm not shaming anyone in any way here. Both my husband and I were very nervous. It's very legitimate. If you're trying something new and doing something for the first time, it'd be weird if you weren't nervous.

Oftentimes I have found that it's those points that make us nervous where we push past our comfort zone that growth actually happens. And that was my experience with this. So there's no part of me that's like, you should 100% do this if you have extreme reservations. And there's also a bit of an invitation: maybe you need to lose control for a bit, in a controlled environment, so that you can break through and actually experience true growth.

The social judgment I had to work through

Beyond all these concerns, there's also just a lot of concern about social judgment. And I was experiencing this in a pretty serious way when I was just thinking about doing the psilocybin-assisted therapy.

My friend Nathan and I used to take CEOs to different companies for a day — companies who had best-in-class practices from sustainability to people management — and we'd do a full deep dive the next day to help them implement these practices at their company. We were on one of these retreats at the airport, all of us heading out, and we had about twelve CEOs with us. 

One of the CEOs at the airport over lunch, we're all just chit-chatting, and she said: I just heard the most interesting story on NPR. It was about moms who do drugs. And I think it was probably about something like psilocybin-based therapy. But her knee-jerk reaction — and she was a mom herself — was: Can you imagine a parent who does drugs? How irresponsible is that?

It was one of those little societal stories: yeah, it's very inappropriate for a mom to do drugs.

There were also things like — I mentioned to a colleague I was considering doing psilocybin-based therapy, and they literally said: just don't let them take any pictures of you. If that were to get out in a public way, you might have clients that never want to work with you again. That might risk your professional reputation. 

So there was the professional side. There was the mom shame. And then even just in my family — my dad literally still brags to this day, as someone who went to college in the 70s, that he's never "tooked the dope." We grew up in a very traditional, strict, no-drugs-allowed household. Drugs have always been something taboo.

There were all of these competing levels of shame about how I needed to behave as a professional, a mom, a family member, and a community member. We don't do drugs. And we definitely don't do drugs and then talk about it. 

I let all of these competing stories really hold me back from taking the leap myself.

Scott's session — and what happened after

That actually all changed at the beginning of this year. 

I noticed that my husband was really struggling in some of those really hard, crunchy moments when — if you have kids, especially young kids (we have a four-year-old and a seven-year-old), they occasionally struggle with emotional regulation and have these moments that are incredibly frustrating when you're a parent. 

I was noticing in some of these moments that I felt like my husband wasn't quite living up to the father that I knew he wanted to be. He wasn't snapping at them or anything. He was just getting really frustrated, and I felt like he wasn't giving himself or the kids the grace and compassion and patience that I know he wants to be able to give.

It was the straw that broke the camel's back of me being like, I need to talk to you about this. I'm noticing this frustration and anger that you're holding. And I've also seen some anxiety that you're holding around some certain stuff in our life. And I've talked to you about these things many times and I don't think I'm equipped to be able to help you. Maybe it's worth considering going and doing the psilocybin-based therapy with Avi — with one of the therapists at their center.

He was just like, yeah, I think I'm going to.

The next day he called Avi. Avi got him set up with the perfect therapist for him — his business partner, Vince. Because in the interim between the time I had talked to Avi, watched the docuseries — all the things — Avi had actually set up one of Colorado's first healing centers with his business partners, Vince, Mikki, and Cindi. They're all trained facilitators. They're in this incredible group.

So Avi said, I've got the guy for you: Vince. I watched my husband go through the entire process of talking to Vince in advance on Zoom to get his family history and understand his concerns. And then the day of — it's a full-day journey. You're given a macro dose of psilocybin, you sit with the therapist for the entire day, and you just process your shit. All sorts of stuff comes up. Which also means you need someone who can pick you up. So I was the one who went and picked Scott up. 

Even before I got into the session, as part of his prep, Vince asked to have a phone call with me. Which felt very different, but I loved it. He talked to me about what concerns I had with Scott, the behaviors I was seeing, and what my hopes and dreams would be for Scott. As we were getting off that call, and Vince was giving me instructions on how to pick him up, he said: when you pick up your husband, he's going to be an entirely new man.

And I was like — seems like potentially over-promising and setting me up to be disappointed, but I'm just going to go with it. 

So this is the context in which I pick Scott up. I show up at like 3:30 or 4 down to the healing center in Denver. Vince greets me at the door and does a 30-minute debrief with me, talking about all the things that came up for Scott (which he had gotten Scott's permission to talk to me about). And then he leads me back to the room where I find my husband in quite a state.

I would say he was wrecked. He'd been crying for most of the day. You could see his eyes were all puffy. He was like this big mushy marshmallow. He just kept talking to me about how much he loved me and the kids and — I would have to say, this wasn't exactly the "new man" I was expecting or hoping for.

Turned out that wasn't the state he stayed in. But he was in that state for about the next 24 hours. Vince warned me about it, told me that he needed to take the weekend to really just be quiet and process and journal. So that weekend I took the kids a lot and let Scott do his thing.

After they did the integration sessions — Scott talked with Vince on Zoom once a week for the next three weeks to really unearth and process all the stuff that had come up during the full-day session — I really started to see a transformation in my husband. 

One of the things he talked to me about was anxiety. He is a very anxious person. We've been together for 17 years — it's not like this was new to me. I also didn't understand the depths that his anxiety had gotten to. There was so much stuff going on in the back of his head that he often wasn't even talking to me about. And there was stuff he would talk to me about. 

All of that anxiety — it was just gone.

He was calm and grounded — that perfect higher version of himself that I knew he wanted to be with our kids. That was how he was able to show up: patient, emotionally regulated, calm and grounded. It was like I owed Vince a bit of an apology. It was like seeing him as a new version of himself — not different, just upleveled. All of the ways I knew that he really wanted to show up, he was able to really step into those. 

Based on watching that, I was like — I think that I need to do this myself.

My own journey to the decision

In my own personal journey, I mentioned at the top: I've been in therapy for six years. That all started during COVID.

I had postpartum depression. I had just left my own organization that I co-founded in February of 2020. So I'd lost my sense of purpose and my sense of self-worth. I had become a full-time mom unexpectedly because we lost our childcare. We were socially isolated. There was just so much going on. It was a really awful time. 

I started finally working with my therapist, Lynn. First session, she was like: you are a textbook clinically depressed. I would highly recommend we get on antidepressants. So I started getting on those, felt instantly better. In the first couple years of us working together, we just unpacked so much stuff — just through talk therapy. I also did a couple of EMDR sessions, and it was transformational. I was feeling myself healing. 

I was diagnosed in I think 2023 with ADHD after meeting with a psychiatrist, so I got medicated for that. That felt like it really brought me to this next level. And I'd still have significant moments of insecurity. Like I couldn't get to the next level. 

After seeing all of this research coming out, I was like — well, maybe this is the thing. That could break through and finally help me release some of these stories that I've been carrying around with me for decades. Stories that are really holding me back from being the leader or the mom or the partner or the friend, or even just how I feel about myself on a daily basis. That seemed to be preventing me from really loving myself unconditionally.

What would it look like, or what would it feel like, to just love myself today? That like — I had never ever experienced that state. 

So I decided to jump right on in.

Prep with Mikki

I texted Avi and was like, I want to do it too. He said, I've got the perfect person for you. I want you to work with Mikki. I was like, why Mikki? And he just said, you'll see.

I was like, okay — that's an incredibly vague statement, but I'm intrigued, and I trust you, Avi. 

I had my first call with Mikki and I 100% vibed with her in the first call. She walked me through the process, which was the same as my husband: you do three to four preparation sessions virtually. So we talk for about an hour. We walk through family history, past experiences, beliefs. You talk about your intentions, what you want to do. Then you have the full-day session, and then you have three to four integration sessions on the back end.

I just watched my husband do it — I was familiar. We got this. Scheduled everything on that first phone call. She was like, you're gonna go May 1st, that's gonna be your full-day session.

I literally showed up to my first prep appointment with notes in chronological order. Like: here's all my trauma. Here's the source of this insecurity. And here's this. And here's this. I just dumped all of that on her. She took rigorous notes, asked lots of questions.

We talked about my intentions, which were: to maybe understand true self-acceptance without any of the external judgment, and to be able to move forward in the world from a place that felt more intentional and more at peace than the day-to-day stuff I was dealing with.

We literally talked about the different strains of psilocybin, which had names — and I shit you not, she was reading me a list. She was like, we're going to talk about Shakti, Albino Bluey Vuitton, Wormhole, and Golden Teacher.

Apparently each of the different strains of psilocybin has a very specific way that it interacts with people psychologically and physically. One of the ones she was talking about, she said: this one is like a bitchy goddess. She's gonna take you to some really challenging places. You're gonna unearth some stuff that you don't want to look at, but it's what you need to look at, and it's gonna be a hard experience.

I was like — hmmmm.

And then she was talking about Albino Bluey Vuitton, and I believe she said, she's like a drunk sorority girl. I was like, say more. She said, she's gonna bring up all sorts of stuff, kind of in a chaotic way. But she's gonna be encouraging — but also saying some stuff that maybe you don't really want to hear, but in a fun, light way.

I was like, yeah, let's go with that.

So we chose Albino Bluey Vuitton for the journey.

She also told me in advance to make a playlist — to go through and think of all of the relevant, really meaningful songs from my life and put them on a playlist. Even just take a minute and think about this for your own journey. What would that look like? Music can just bring you back, even without the psilocybin. Going back and listening to songs from your life — I have explicit core memories that are tied to certain songs. Jimmy Buffett's Cheeseburger in Paradise — I am 100% eight years old sitting in my dad's Suzuki Sidekick singing that at the top of my lungs with my dad. 

So I made my playlist — had some bangers on there, some Van Morrison, Jimmy Buffett, all sorts of good stuff. I sent it off to her in advance of the full-day journey.

Day of — the healing center

She told me to pack a little backpack with maybe my pillow if I wanted to be comfy, and changes of clothes because she said everyone has different physical reactions — from getting really hot to getting really cold, to maybe both. She said to expect to cry a lot, that lots of people have lots of snot — like your body is flushing stuff out. So bring clothes that can support that experience, and maybe a cute little talisman.

I brought this bracelet I had gotten in the Amazon, and a couple of my kids' little snuggly stuffies. I don't even know what else was in there. The day of, I literally had my little backpack, my pillow. I look like a kid going to summer camp.

Avi texted me the day of, like, how are you feeling? I sent him a picture like, here I am. And to be honest, I felt terrified, nervous, scared — terrified. But also a little excited. I call this a state of being anxited. I knew it was going to be something that was going to be good. And it's also really scary to just hand over control like this.

For reference, I have done magic mushrooms outside of a therapeutic context before. I've had great experiences on them. For those previous experiences, I'd taken about one gram of mushrooms. For the therapy, you do a macro dose. So I was going to be doing just over three grams. 

Part of this is you're just handing over control of the situation. I was like — I'm going to be taking the most amount of drugs I've ever taken in my life and then sitting in a room with a sober person for an entire day. Who knows what happens both mentally and physically to me. I lose control of my mental faculties and spew all of my trauma and process all of my garbage in front of a person who I've just met one month ago. We're just gonna do that and feel great about it.

That is not how I was feeling.

I mentioned all this to Mikki when I arrived at the healing center, and she said, if you didn't feel like that, I would be concerned. It is 100% natural to feel all of those feelings. And I was like, okay, good. 

So feeling all those feelings, I arrived at the healing center — which is quite literally in Denver, in a nondescript office building on top of a Wells Fargo across the street from an old mall. I was like — this is not the environment I was expecting. But I trust them.

I went in. Met Mikki at the lobby. She takes me back, and she's completely transformed her office space. It's a very long, large room. She has these gorgeous sheets of fabric all over the ceiling. These gorgeous moving lamps putting purple and yellow lights out. Comfy futon with little blankets and pillows. There's a couch that has a healing light mat on it. Little tables and chairs. All sorts of stuff. It just felt so magical and comfortable and delightful. 

So I was like, okay, this feels much better.

Safety protocols and setting the container

We sit down. Mikki reviews the safety protocols. Mikki is quite literally one of the people who co-wrote the safety protocols for psilocybin-assisted therapy for the state of Colorado — which have now been adopted in Oregon as well. She knows her shit. 

There are safety protocols in case anything happens from a medical standpoint. She walks me through what's gonna happen in case I have an adverse reaction. She also told me that after doing more than 500 of these sessions, she has never had an adverse reaction that required EMTs or any sort of medical professionals to have to step in. So I felt safe. 

We talked back through the intentions. She also gave me some guidance which was really helpful. She said that a lot of people say they have this internal dialogue going on. All sorts of thoughts are coming up, and they end up holding back on telling Mikki about them because they're worried about how it'll be perceived. Then at the end, they typically say they wish they had said more of the stuff that was happening in their brains out loud, so Mikki could record it and they could process it later. 

Because you don't get to a place where you're unconscious. You're not blacking out. It's not like drinking so much alcohol that you're incapacitated. You are conscious. You remember every single thing that happens. And at least in my experience, there's so much that happens that having someone there to record as much as humanly possible is extraordinarily helpful.

She gives me these instructions. Her wonderful business partner Cindi brings in a little tray. It's got a glass of orange juice, exactly three grams of the Shakti Bluey Vuitton ground up. Putting the mushrooms in the orange juice actually makes it so they integrate faster into your system — and often you don't feel the kind of queasiness that's sometimes associated with taking psilocybin.

I take a big breath. I'm like, I think I'm ready for this. And I'm still feeling very nervous.

The ayahuasca callback

At this moment, I had a little bit of a flashback.

I got the incredible experience of once flying on a float plane into the middle of the Amazon rainforest to stay with the Achuar tribe for over a week. It's an indigenous tribe at the head of the Amazon River in the middle of the rainforest. One of the parts of that was doing plant medicine. We did ayahuasca with the shaman. And I was also terrified of losing control of my body and my brain and all the things.

The shaman told us that this medicine is of the earth. It has the earth's wisdom in it. And part of that is that it knows exactly what you need. Your role here is just to trust the medicine — that whatever comes up is exactly what you need to heal right now.

That was incredibly helpful. It was the thing that got me to take the ayahuasca, which was a transformational experience in itself.

I took that in mind: this is a medicine of the earth. It knows what I need.

Mikki talked me through the psychology and the reverence that she has for this incredible medicine, and then she spoke to it. She told the medicine our intentions — and I was like, what is even happening here? Then she asked me if I wanted to talk to the medicine, and I felt ridiculous talking to a bowl of mushrooms. But I was also like, you know what? When in Rome. I am just going to get over myself. I'm going to go ahead and talk to them. Give them my thanks, my gratitude, my love. And tell them what I'm looking for. 

So I spoke my intentions straight to them. Put them in the orange juice. Bottoms up.

Immediately, Mikki was like, I would advise that you might want to lay down. So I laid down on my back. I would imagine within 20 minutes, I was seeing gorgeous fractal patterns starting to show up in the fabric on the ceiling. And I was like, okay, here we go.

The journey — "Is this okay?" → "You are okay"

For the next few hours, I was transported to a mystical place. And I will say here — to try to explain what this feels like to someone who has not done this before — it is like trying to tell someone who cannot smell what the smell of mint smells like. It is impossible. 

So I'll try to walk you through a little of what happened and go into some of the insights, because that's really some of the important stuff. With the caveat that this is a really hard thing to try to explain — I'm not even going to get most of the experience in here. But we'll just go with what we've got. 

I'm laying down, and within — I'm imagining it's the first 45 minutes or so — things are starting to float into my brain. Deep truths that are in my subconscious that need to be spoken out loud, or that I haven't ever given voice to. I'm going through past stories in my head and seeing them from different ways. And they're cycling through, one after the other after the other. 

I'm noticing right away that I'm having this feeling Mikki had mentioned, of not wanting to say stuff out loud. Part of it was, I don't know if my mouth is going to work right now. And part of it was — I still had a little bit of that, what is she gonna think of me when I say this. 

And that moment right there — what is she gonna think of me — made me realize that I had this little voice in my head. Before I spoke a word — and this wasn't just in this room with Mikki. This was in every relationship in my life, with maybe the exception of like two. I always have this little voice that says: is this okay?

The is this okay question speaks multitudes. It's: is this gonna make the person angry? Are they gonna judge me? Are they gonna think less of me? Am I stupid? Does this sound stupid? There's so much judgment wrapped up in there. 

And if something around this sounds kind of similar — I'm imagining you might have a similar voice as well. It comes as no surprise, because so many of us are conditioned to put other people's comfort over our own, to doubt our contributions, to worry about the way in which we're perceived. Are we doing things that are societally acceptable?

We create these coping mechanisms — things that help us stay within the parameters of what's socially acceptable. This little voice is there. She's just trying to protect us, trying to make sure that we are accepted and don't get kicked out of the tribe.

And the more that I started thinking about this little voice and why it was there, the easier it felt to just kind of let the voice go.

At some point, it transitioned from saying is this okay? Is this okay to say? to: you are okay.

You are okay.

Your thoughts, your needs — they are just thoughts and needs. They are not wrong. They are okay. They have a right to exist. They have a right to be expressed. You are okay.

Like — mind completely blown. Honestly, y'all. I had never experienced this feeling of just sitting in a place of feeling like I was okay. And that something I was doing wasn't wrong or wasn't gonna piss someone off. I knew that little voice had been born from trying to manage immense emotional volatility and manage other people's emotions when I was young.

And all of a sudden, I was able to just let that voice go. It was the most profound experience, honestly.

Once the voice was like you are okay, it gave me the ability to just keep talking. Everything that needed to come out started coming out. Oftentimes, Mikki would just sit there and write down notes and capture things. All the while, my playlist is going on in the background. So oftentimes I'd be in the middle of one thing and then the playlist would come on and it would transport me back to some other part of my life. And I'd start processing that and start tying them in together — and just — this is coming out.

I'm sobbing through most of this. A lot of snot is coming out. I'm a hot mess. 

Mikki would occasionally lob in some little questions to help me go further, which I would say were met with a wide spectrum of reactions on my side. Sometimes I would answer her.

And sometimes — like in the case when she said, Meghan, what do you think the anger is trying to tell you? — I literally turned my head, looked her dead in the eye, and just said, fuck you, Mikki. And then we both broke down into complete hysterical laughter. Just stomach-clutching laughter where I couldn't even breathe, I was laughing so hard.

So it was ups and downs. I said I laughed and I cried at the beginning — I was not joking.

The bathroom moment

We just went through this cycle for hours, of just getting all this stuff out — until I had to relieve myself. And I'd been laying on my back for hours at this point. It seemed impossible.

I knew that my body had needs, but my body was offline. I felt like my bones had been replaced with gummy worms. And my muscles were made of pudding. I couldn't move. I told Mikki, I need to go to the bathroom. She was like, okay. This was not her first rodeo. She knew this was coming.

And this was the hardest thing that I did the entire day. Honestly. I didn't really have a conception of time, but I'm imagining it was more than half an hour of me flubbering on the ground like a beached whale, trying to just get my muscles to fire — or anything to happen that wasn't just jiggling.

Mikki just patiently standing by the door, waiting for me to stand up. She'd very gently keep giving me encouragement, letting me know that this happens to everyone. And she'd also help keep me on track. I'd be laying there, trying my best to get my body to move online — and then all of a sudden I'd be like, I can see my intellect energy and my humor energy, and I feel like I need to braid them together more. And she'd just be like, I hear you, sweetie. And the bathroom — we need to do the bathroom thing.

At some point, I finally remembered my pregnancy training and was like — aha! From the back to the side, then push it up. And then I stood up. 

I bambied my way down the hall. Her incredible business partner Cindi came in, and they were escorting me. I was worried I was gonna crush them both because they were these teeny little women and I am not that. But I was able to use my legs. It was all right. 

I made it to the bathroom. But right before I got to the bathroom, both of them were like — whatever you do, do NOT look in the mirror.

And I'm like — is something wrong with my face? Is this like a Beetlejuice situation? I'm unclear about what is happening. But I do not want to risk it.

So I put my horse blinders on and walked into the bathroom. Went to the bathroom. Washed my hands. Didn't look in the mirror. Made it out. Made it back.

Probably my biggest accomplishment of my life — making it to the bathroom while on mushrooms in that office.

The anger and the objective view

From there, it just continues. I go back, lay back down, and the insights keep coming. I'm still in the space.

As I mentioned at the top, they've shown that psilocybin is able to suppress our ego. And for me, this was an incredible experience because it was helping me see some of my past experiences from a more objective place — without the ego and without the emotions.

One of the things that happened for me — which apparently I needed — was that I realized when I looked at these old stories with a new lens, I'd been often giving other people who, in past situations, had caused me a tremendous amount of harm from their actions and behaviors — I'd given them the benefit of the doubt. I'd extended compassion. There was always this part of me that was like, well, I can understand kind of why they did it. Because I understood maybe why they had been traumatized over here, and so that's why they acted out in this way.

But I wouldn't extend that same thing to myself. And because I understood maybe why they did it, it made it so I didn't allow myself to ever feel angry about it on behalf of my younger self. 

So much of my experience was regressing back and feeling like I was almost living the stories again — but with deep compassion for myself. I started feeling very protective of my younger self and started seeing her as someone to protect and not someone to blame.

And I got enraged. Like so mad. There was so much anger coming out, and it was anger that I had been repressing apparently for like decades.

Mikki was saying things like, I feel like you're pulling down the dam with all the anger stored behind it. I need you to keep pulling down the dam. This is when she asked me about what the anger was trying to tell me. And I told her to go fuck herself. But I needed to experience the anger.

It was the thing that, in many cases, was like the missing element I had been waiting for — for the six years of trying to process some of this stuff in therapy. Just experiencing the anger for myself was the thing that helped me actually let the story go. And not for it to have so much hold on me.

No clue why. But it was incredible.

The car manual analogy

So that was one other major insight. And the last one — at one point, I was talking to Mikki a lot about the ways in which some of my ADHD behaviors — I often feel like I am wrong because of the way that I am built. My brain works in a different way, and a lot of times it's a source of shame, or it makes me feel like I should be built differently, I should work differently. 

And Mikki dropped an analogy on me that completely changed my entire freaking life.

She said: Meghan, you are a high-performance race car. You are built with different components. You are built to go as fast as humanly possible, to be at the highest echelon of performance. You have very specific maintenance needs. You have different parts. You have an entire different operating system. And with that, you have your own user manual on how you need to be maintained and taken care of in order for you to operate in the way that you're supposed to.

She's like, are you following? I'm like, I have no clue what you're talking about, really. But I'm here for it. I love your vibe. Let's keep going with the race car thing.

She's like, okay. So all of us are different cars. We're all built with different components. We all have different user manuals. The problem is we often try to push our user manual onto someone else. 

Someone who's like a 1990 Ford comes over and is like, I'm gonna try to take Meghan out for the day. And imposes their user manual on you. And gives you the wrong oil. Puts on tires that are too big for your wheel wells. Gives you the wrong parts in your engine. And then expects you to go out on the track and perform at your best. And you don't. Is that your fault?

I was like — no.

 No, I don't think it is, right? I'm seeing clouds in the sky. The shades are still rippling in and out. I'm having crazy visuals. But I don't think it's my fault, right, Mikki? 

She's like, you're right. It is not your fault. If you are trying, or if someone else is trying to impose a user manual on you that is not yours, and you do not work properly — that does not mean you are wrong. 

My brain just couldn't even handle this information. 

As I started thinking about this, I was like — my God, so many of us are handed a user manual that doesn't work for our fucking car. And this is especially true for women. We're handed a user manual on how to look, how to behave, how to perform, what success is — all of these things we're supposed to do.

And the kicker is: that is a manual that was made up by men under patriarchy. For a non-existent car that doesn't even work. And that is the instruction manual that all of us are trying to use — and wondering why we feel like we're wrong every day of our lives. Why we're deficient. Why we're broken.

It's because we are given a user manual that is not the one that works for our fucking car.

The bigger picture — feeling whole

So between the car manual situation and realizing I had this little voice in my head who had now transformed from is this okay? to you are okay — and being so angry on behalf of my younger self and seeing these stories in a more objective way — I felt like by the end of the session, I was sitting in a place of self-acceptance.

Of knowing that I was not broken or wrong. That I was okay. That I am built the exact way that I am, and there's nothing wrong with it, and that I love how I'm built.

I had never in my life experienced what it felt like to just feel happy as I am. And I don't know if any of the people I have in my life ever have. I don't know if any of us do.

The more they talk about this publicly, the more I'm realizing that most of us are walking around driven by these deep insecurities and concerns about ourselves. About being wrong. About being broken. About things we need to change. Things we need to fix. And very few of us actually have this experience of knowing what it feels like to just purely accept ourselves as we are. To revel. To marvel. To be in awe of the person that we are. Full stop.

I still can't really explain how profound this was for me to experience this. And then I found myself being like — I just want everyone to feel like this. 

So many of us are walking around every day letting our insecurities drive our behavior, drive the way that we think about ourselves, drive the way that we treat other people. It's impacting our leadership, our parenting, the way we show up as friends and family members and community. And the more of us that could feel this way — of just feeling whole and loving ourselves as we are — it would change the way that we show up. The way that our communities are built.

It's like my deepest wish that this is something other people could experience more often. And I remember at the top when I talked about how this felt like something that was so important to share — this is why. Because of unlocking something as profound as this. Of healing these core wounds and feeling whole. What a gift that could be. And how this is what the psilocybin unlocked for me.

The immediate aftermath

So that was a bit of my journey of the day.

Scott, my husband, picked me up around 3:30. Similar to how I found him — I was a wreck. I don't think I spoke a word the entire ride home. I just went straight to bed when I walked in. I was so excited to see my kids and gave them kisses because I loved them so much and just wanted to smush their little faces. And then I went right to bed at like 5 o'clock at night.

That weekend, I followed Mikki's instructions. I took a lot of alone time and journaling, just trying to get some of the stuff to process and integrate. Mikki and I did our first virtual integration session that Monday — so three days later. We had two more the following two weeks.

Integration — parenting, marriage, and the birthday reframe

There were a few specific areas that I was able to see it right away. One being my parenting. I was just more present and patient with my children. I could see them for the gorgeous little squishy awesome beings that they were, and I was able to regulate my emotions a lot easier. The little things — like doing bedtime stories or taking them to school — instead of being something I had to get through, it became something I got to do. Something I enjoyed. I just savored every time they'd ask me to watch their dance or listen to the thing they learned. All those things that sometimes I just feel so busy that I don't fully pay attention to — I was just there with them, enjoying them, soaking them in. And it has been the way that I felt pretty much this entire time since.

My relationship with my husband — I took the car manual and I ran with it. Over the three weeks that I was really integrating all this, I quite literally wrote down my own user manual. My husband and I had a date night, and I took him out and walked him through my user manual, step by step. I wrote down things that are benefits of this way that I operate and how I'm built, and things that might be really challenging. Here's the ways in which I see how I am built on this particular issue, where I see that you are different, and where I see that that might cause tension between us.

It helped me get to this point of understanding how much you can deepen a relationship when: one, you understand your own user manual and help your partner understand it. And when you understand theirs. Instead of seeing those areas where you're different as areas of contention, or times where you're trying to change each other to fit each other's user manual, you can just respect and honor and appreciate that this is how the other person's built.

By the end of the dinner, my husband was like, I feel like I have such a better understanding of you. This is so helpful for me to know. And I felt the same thing about him. It was a way to deepen our relationship and feel more connected, and help us navigate things that oftentimes used to be issues where we'd get in little spats. It's incredible.

The third thing that had a really lasting impact for me was a bit of insecurity around my birthday.

My very first memory of my birthday is my mom sitting me down to tell me that pretty much everyone I'd invited to my birthday party couldn't come. My birthday is on June 27th, and most families are traveling for summer vacation and around the July 4th holiday — it's always the worst. And this became a pattern for my entire life, of just people never being able to come to my birthday. Which I of course then associated with — people don't actually like me. I don't have friends because nobody shows up for my birthday party. I'd share my little puppy cake with two other kids from my school that I barely even knew, or try to beat down a piñata with one other person.

They were sad birthday parties. They weren't great. And I attached a story to them — a story that I carried pretty much for the rest of my life. That people don't actually like me. So my birthdays became this thing that I not only didn't look forward to, but actively just hated.

A few weeks ago, it was my birthday. Early June. My husband sent out some feeler texts to some of our close friends to see if anyone would be available for my birthday dinner. And, surprising absolutely nobody, no one was in town. Not a single human. 

And instead of this becoming a thing — for the first time in my life, I just received it as information. Not an indictment of my character or proof that nobody loves me. Just like — damn, that sucks. People are out of town. Okay. Like — move on.

What? What? It rewired my brain to stop giving a shit about people not being able to come to my birthday party.

Thank you, psilocybin. Check.

The Glastonbury retreat and authentic leadership

Moving on from the birthday. One of the other impacts — the last one that I'll talk about — is I talked about my little internal voice who had switched from is this okay? to you are okay. That has just stayed with me.

It showed up at the end of May. I flew to the UK to go on a leadership retreat in Glastonbury with 12 other leaders from around the world in this little community that I'm a part of. And I did not know a soul — not a single soul — heading into the trip. We were doing 72 hours of deep work with this incredible philosopher, Tim Freke.

Normally, this would have been the type of situation that made me feel incredibly insecure. Where I would very much hold myself back and wait on the outside of the group to see what the dynamics were before I really let anyone see who I actually am. Read people first.

And I just didn't care. I was so grounded. So joyful. So delighted in myself. Trusting myself. Whatever was coming up, whatever I wanted to do. And it was incredible. 

Not only did it feel wonderful to just check the insecurity at the door — but it drew people to me. I was just showing up as my full, authentic, genuine, grounded self from moment one. And people were here for it. Gorgeous connections. Deep friendships. I felt so much happier, so much healthier, so much more whole being there as this authentic version of myself.

And as someone who quite literally wrote an entire chapter in my book about authentic leadership, I was like — we really can't step into full authentic leadership until we have really navigated and put our deep insecurities to bed.

To any of you who are listening who are managers or leaders in your organizations, or parents, or partners — if you have that little voice that holds you back in certain circumstances, that makes you act differently in a room based on who's in the room with you — it's holding you back. People around you? They feel it. 

Healing yourself in this way. It is leadership work. It is parenting work. It is community work. It is friend work. It helps us be better in relationships — which is really what so much of life is built on.

Unbehaving is where the good stuff happens

So. That's the whole thing.  

I guess you can say doing an absolute boatload of drugs was one of the best things I've ever done in my life. Yeah. I'll stand behind that statement.

And throughout the whole process, I have thought about how much I would have missed out on if I had let that little story that told me to, quote, behave — to be a good mom and a good wife and a good professional. If I had let that voice win. If I'd feared. If I'd shied away from this for fear of judgment or fear of shame or fear of this being too taboo.

What I would have missed out on. But yet again, I find that unbehaving — that pushing back on that status quo narrative about what we, quote, should do — that is where the real magic actually happens. It's where the transformation happens. It's where the healing happens. It's where the good stuff happens.

At least for me. That's the place I want to be. I want you to be there with me too. And that's why I talked about this today.

Part 2, we're gonna talk to Mikki, my extraordinary therapist, about the legalization process, about some of the research, about all sorts of incredible stuff that she has unearthed in the years she has been in this space.

So that's all we have for today. If you want the full written version of all this, it's on the Substack. Part 1 is called To Shroom or Not to Shroom? and Part 2 is called Why I'm a Mom Who Does Drugs. Those are there for you under Unbehaved.

If this resonated — obviously, please leave a comment, reach out, LinkedIn, email, whatever it is. I love hearing from you. I love hearing your questions.

 

Until next time.